Today’s the day.

You know what you have to do today, if you haven’t already. I’m grateful to have an employer whose collective managers call us a “citizenship company,” so if I have to wait in a long line to do my duty, well, so be it. Many people don’t have that, and the lines are long this year, especially in Detroit, which is not helped by having 64 (for realz) souls on the school-board ballot.

But I’ll be in and out fast, once I get through the line, if there is one. I’m-a vote so hard that tabulating machine gonna feel it.

Apparently someone decided in the past few days that Michigan is in play. I don’t think it is, but it hasn’t stopped the candidates and their surrogates from coming through like buses. Barack Obama was in Ann Arbor yesterday, Sarah Palin in Detroit Sunday night. (She stopped in at a bar near my old office. Called the Town Pump. Snicker.) Ivanka dropped in to Hudsonville, over by Grand Rapids. Hillary was here last Friday, her husband the day before — a surprise! The waitresses at the coney island where I have my Saturday breakfast were all showing off their iPhone photos of him posing with the gang. This douchenozzle was here on Sunday, too. Trump himself is ending his campaign with a stop in Grand Rapids.

Michigan is not in play, and if Hillary doesn’t win by at least three points here, I’ll buy you all a beer.

So, to leave the thread open today, or what?

Duh. Open thread. Nail-biting all the way.

Posted at 12:17 am in Current events |
 

77 responses to “Today’s the day.”

  1. Sherri said on November 8, 2016 at 1:28 am

    We discovered on Friday late that my daughter’s ballot had been challenged because the signature didn’t match. It was too late on Friday to contact the election office, but the kiddo called them today, printed off the form to correct the problem, and dropped it in the mail today. I’m proud of her for not just blowing it off, even though Washington is safely blue.

    Now to decide which TV coverage I hate the least, so I can watch the results.

  2. alex said on November 8, 2016 at 7:18 am

    I guess I’m fortunate that I generally don’t find myself in circles where people are so crass as to casually bring up politics, but there’s no mistaking the fact that I’m living in Trumpland. Not so long ago I was at a meeting where it was mentioned that a well-loved local figure is a Democrat and jaws hit the floor all around the room, and people could barely contain “No way, please say it isn’t so. How terrible.” They admire this person for his intelligence and fair-mindedness and yet it doesn’t compute with them that such a person might feel more at home in the Democratic Party. These folks would follow their own herd off of a cliff and I’m sure that’s how they’re voting.

  3. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 8, 2016 at 7:26 am

    Trending on Twitter: #GangreneOrSyphilis?

  4. Suzanne said on November 8, 2016 at 7:35 am

    If you want interesting reading that will fairly thoroughly depress you, read this. I did. Join me in the pit of despair.
    https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-supermanagerial-reich/

  5. Dave said on November 8, 2016 at 7:37 am

    Most of my life, I’ve been a independent, that changed only when I registered Republican to vote in the primary when Paul Helmke ran against Mark Souder but Souder won, despite my big step. The Republicans had the only primary races that meant anything almost the entire time we lived in Northeastern Indiana.

    Now that we’re in Florida, we’re both independents again.

    Reading the remarks on some of the websites and Facebook pages and seeing how some people are so solidly voting against their own self-interests and they don’t even seem to know it, my sister for one, several of my old co-workers, various old school acquaintances, I don’t get it how they think that orange one is going to make their lives better. If our hostess’s old alum doesn’t have to mention his name on their rundown of endorsements, then I certainly don’t.

  6. adrianne said on November 8, 2016 at 8:03 am

    Off to the polls, and then off to Gotham, where both candidates are gathering tonight. I’m feeling very optimistic. Love trumps hate.

  7. Suzanne said on November 8, 2016 at 8:10 am

    Dave, why Trump supporters think he’ll actually do anything he promises has been the big mystery to me this entire campaign. He’s shown absolutely no interest in following through on anything he says he’ll do in business or his marriages, and yet his supporters absolutely believe he’ll come through for them. I understand the anger & fear of the changing economy & demographics, I really do. But what they think a huckster, mostly failed businessman who would screw over his own mother to be the winner will do to help them is something I cannot grasp.

    My main hope is that he’ll lose so IN & the USA can be done with Gov My Pants.

  8. Connie said on November 8, 2016 at 8:21 am

    At 7:37 a.m. I was surprised to see a long line out the door and down the sidewalk at the Oakley Park Elementary Precinct location. People are voting. Unfortunately in this township they are likely to all be voting for Trump.

    George Wallace won the 1972 Michigan Democratic primary in this county and this state.

    I turned in my absentee ballot last week.

  9. basset said on November 8, 2016 at 8:52 am

    I early voted the first day I could.

    Took Mrs. B to see Anderson/Rabin/Wakeman last night, great show, see ’em if they’re near you.

  10. beb said on November 8, 2016 at 9:46 am

    Sherri, they’ll all equally bad. Do yourself a favor and don’t watch. Or at least turn the sound down so the flying monkeys won’t drive you crazy.

    Alex, if only Indiana had cliffs for these people to fall off of. and thereby reduced the surplus population (tm E. Scrooge). I’m a former Hoosier so I can say that. It’s been rough on my Dad who must be the only liberal in Mishawaka.

    Suzanne, if not that his supporters believe he’s do what he says he’ll do (well, actually they are that delusional) it’s that with an R in the White House the Tea Party has free rein to destroy thiis country in the name of white power.

    Speaking of politics I was stunned to learn that Steve Dikto, creater of Dr. Strange, is still alive at 89. He is a big league recluse. Also an unabashed Objectivist whose politics tended to influence is comic book stories in his lter years (late 70s). But his work on Spiderman and Dr. Strange is unequaled.

  11. Connie said on November 8, 2016 at 10:12 am

    Beb, Indiana has cliffs. Down by Clifty Falls and other places along the Ohio River. Opposite end of the state from Alex though.

  12. Bitter Scribe said on November 8, 2016 at 10:17 am

    Today my 69-year-old brother will cast the first vote of his life, for Hillary Clinton. I’m so proud.

  13. jcburns said on November 8, 2016 at 11:03 am

    That’s wonderful. I’ll be watching MSNBC/NBC later just to see if they spill any drinks or pizza or drop any phones down into the Huge Plexiglas Star Desk. A friend of mine who works at NBC has some great behind the scenes pix up of their election sets. In fact, his whole Flickr collection is this wonderful preservation of 30 Rock and other TV studios and facilities.

  14. nancy said on November 8, 2016 at 11:05 am

    I first heard Father Frank Pavone’s name via Amy Welborn’s blog. Amy’s an orthodox Catholic, pro-life without exception, which I respect. I can’t remember in what context he came up, but my impression was of a respected priest who defends the church’s teaching on abortion. Which is, again, fine.

    Then I heard him on a right-wing radio show during the Schiavo affair, and changed my opinion. He came across as a bully and a thug. He basically repeated the craziest of the Schiavo canards, that Michael Schiavo beat his wife into a coma 16 years ago, and wanted to finish the job lest she wake up and tell the world what he’d done.

    This is his latest stunt. Add “crazy” to bully and thug.

    Oh, and some time ago I heard the “Keepin’ it 1600” guys ask a guest what question they’d ask each candidate for president. The guest replied, “With or without sodium pentothal?” This would be my sodium-pentothal question for Donald Trump: How many abortions have you been responsible for and/or paid for, in full or in part? I bet we’d get a number well north of zero.

  15. susan said on November 8, 2016 at 11:11 am

    Nancy, you are assuming Drumphth would answer your question honestly. Sure.

  16. brian stouder said on November 8, 2016 at 11:15 am

    Well, I’ve not voted yet. I live less than 10 minutes from my workplace, and when I saw the line stretching out and around the polling place this morning, I went to Plan-B (voting at lunchtime)…s we’ll see.

    Pam rolled there and braved the line (she said it was just less than an hour), and noted several older women in the line who were dressed in all white, which she recognized as a remembrance of the Suffragettes. Honestly, the symbolism would’ve been lost on me*, but someone else in the line made a snarky remark, which drew an ice-cold stare from Pam (who on earth would give a bunch of civic-minded elderly women a hard time? Oh yeah – Trump supporters would).

    Anyway, by the time we get to the lunch hour, I will again have the right to express opinions, as I will have voted.

    PS – Although I’m not a churchy person, I’ve been to Pam’s folks’ Methodist church many times, and like those folks (they have a woman pastor, which stirred the pot a few years ago). And with the University of St Francis down the street, a week ago I caught a public lecture from Bishop Rhoades on the 2016 election, and found it even-handed** and engaging, so there’s that.

    *Uncle Google had this to say – https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/29/hillary-clinton-white-pantsuit-suffragettes-convention

    **He was definitely pro-life…and indeed, although he used no names of actual presidential candidates, the “pro-life” mindset can definitely be turned against a fellow who would blithely yip-yip about using nuclear weapons, and/or proliferating nuclear weapons, and/or who would treat human beings as so many cattle that need to be rounded-up and then dumped onto the other side of a wall

  17. jcburns said on November 8, 2016 at 11:21 am

    Took 40 minutes to vote here in intown Atlanta. Convivial crowd. But also leaf-blowers next door.

  18. Sherri said on November 8, 2016 at 11:27 am

    A good Frazz comic for today: http://www.gocomics.com/frazz

  19. Sherri said on November 8, 2016 at 11:51 am

    Trump’s supporters back him not out of delusion that he will enact policies that will help them, but because he attacks and insults and demeans the right people: Muslims, immigrants, African-Americans, women, the media, the liberal elite, the insiders. All of the people who his supporters believe are unfairly getting help from government to get ahead of them. To the privileged, equality looks like oppression, but they don’t think they’re privileged, and they don’t think the government should be helping with equality, because they believe they got where they got through dint of hard work.

  20. Judybusy said on November 8, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    I’ts not just conservatives who drink some weird koolaid. I follow Shaun King on Facebook, and in one of his posts, several commenters are stating that the DNC propped up Trump to win because he’d be easy to beat. Of course, they also claim Wikileaks prove the DNC stole the endorsement from Sanders. I know it’s been said, but truth has been slayed, especially in this election.

  21. Jean Shaw said on November 8, 2016 at 12:33 pm

    I find it moving that so many people are wearing white today (and rocking the pantsuits).

  22. Julie Robinson said on November 8, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    It was about a 40 minute wait to vote, much less than the early voting lines. Now I have to take Mom to vote.

  23. Scout said on November 8, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    I don’t own a pantsuit, but I wore white. I voted by mail two weeks ago, but several people asked me about polling place locators. This one is my favorite. http://yourfuckingpollingplace.com/

  24. Dave said on November 8, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    Bitter Scribe, your brother is 69 and has never voted? Curiously, I wonder why that is and so I’ll ask.

  25. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 8, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    6:25 here in town, the church that normally we lined up inside of had the doors closed, as pollworkers followed a new and more stringent set of protocols. The line bent around at least one corner of the block, people chatting quietly, some sipping coffee.

    A Democratic Party worker kept just on the street side of the curb, walking back and forth saying loudly “does anyone want a voting guide? do you need a voter guide?” The third time she came by and repeated her call, a rumble came up out of the crowd, and one fellow said “aren’t you supposed to stay a hundred feet away from the door, lady?” She retorted something I didn’t quite make out, and a woman farther ahead of me tartly answered her. The woman I’d been talking to up to that point looked at me nervously, and I smiled back at her, then started humming loudly “O beautiful for spacious skies….”

    And a chorus of humming replied “…for amber waves of grain…” then a woman close to the door sang out in soprano “…for purple mountain majesties…” and the whole line went “…above the fruited plain!” We finished the verse, there was some chuckling, and then a crease of golden light opened along the tall door of the church. I never did see where the campaigner went.

    20 minutes later I had my sticker, and was back in my car warming my hands on the coffee mug. Hope you all have a positive experience in today’s national occasion. Tonight, who knows? I still think Hillary’s likely to hit 340 EV, but it’s just so hard to tell.

  26. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 8, 2016 at 1:31 pm

    A conservative friend did text me later in the day, infuriated that a hatful of college students in front of him were voting not just on president and senate (“who’s Strickman? Oh, he’s the D, okay”) but on the local levies. Which he knew I was voting for (c’mon, Developmental Disabilities board? it’s a duh), but he wanted to know how people like me feel about students getting to vote up his property taxes. I pointed back out to him that it was a matter of registration; my son voted here absentee, but is now resident 9+ mos. of the year in Athens, and these students he overheard were no doubt targeted by our local very active OFA group as being from solid blue states, so they pitch them hard to register here. “I get that, even if I don’t like it, but why do they get to vote for levies?” Foolishly, I typed back “what, you want to go back to a property ownership requirement for voting?” to which he replied “why the hell not?”

    Work to do, work to do. But all shall be well.

  27. Sherri said on November 8, 2016 at 2:18 pm

    Eveytime I hear someone advocate turning back the franchise, whether to property owners or to me, I think maybe that if we’re going to limit the franchise, we should instead take it away from those who have had it the longest. After all, if you think things are screwed up, they’ve contributed the most and the longest to the state of affairs. So, white male property owners over 21, you first.

  28. Charlotte said on November 8, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Cheerful and crowded at the fairgrounds this morning — and cars lined up outside the smaller down-valley voting venue I passed on my way into town. Lots of small thumbs-up for lady voting inside, and all in all a good solid friendly doing-our-civic-duty vibe. Fingers crossed for HRC of course, but we’ve got a tight Governor’s race … and a good incumbent.

    Here’s a sight to cheer everyone up — the Rochester TV station is set up at Susan B. Anthony’s grave, where people are lined up to put their I Voted stickers on her monument — (seems to be a Facebook Live feed). https://www.facebook.com/News8WROC/videos/vb.34497459385/10155359367104386/?type=2&theater&notif_t=live_video_interaction&notif_id=1478612959682013

  29. Sherri said on November 8, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    We’re inevitably going to see a lot of thinkpieces after the election about how we have to listen to Trump voters, we being Dems, liberals, Hillary, America, whoever. I would just like to point out that we have been listening to them; they’ve been shouting at us loud and clear. We’ve heard their racism, xenophobia, anti-semitism, and misogyny. I don’t want to hear any more.

    I think, as,I have always thought, that we should pursue policies that help,people in economic distress, or distress of other kinds. I do not see that the Trump voters have a unique need that needs,to be addressed, though I’m happy to be persuaded otherwise. I’m not willing to abandon others for the sake of helping Trump voters, which seems to be what they really want.

  30. brian stouder said on November 8, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    I can now comment, as I have cast my ballot – and my lot – at the polls.

    I sailed in at 5 minutes after 1 pm, and right through the check-in, and thence to a machine…and then a 6-page ballot.

    It was lovely, and now we do the insanity tonight, and see what happens.

    And – I think Sherri’s passion wins the thread – if not Jeff’s tremendously great narrative of election day in the all-important Buckeye state!

  31. brian stouder said on November 8, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    ….and I forgot to say – do you know what the most fraught part of the voting experience was, for me?

    When I got all done voting and advancing the pages, I then paged back and reviewed.

    I honestly was taken aback – not to say repulsed – to really and truly see the name “Donald Trump” for president of the United States….and I wanted to be double damned sure that I hadn’t accidently checked him off.

    And then I looked at the check-in-the-box for Hillary Clinton, and – before I hit the “Cast Vote” button, stared at it again – just to be certain that I hadn’t disturbed anything in the process of reviewing it.

    I was still somewhat trepidatious as I hit the Cast Vote button….

  32. Kirk said on November 8, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    I always double-check, too, and I certainly did so this morning.

  33. Bitter Scribe said on November 8, 2016 at 3:24 pm

    Dave @24: My brother is a high-functioning autistic who has never taken an interest in politics (except for George Wallace, whom he absolutely hated). But my sister, with whom he lives, talked him into accompanying her to the polling place.

    My sister e-mailed me today that he was flummoxed by a paper ballot, but a poll watcher very kindly came over and helped him. (Fortunately–and curiously–there were only four people in line when they went.) He was very proud and slapped the “I Voted” sticker right over his heart.

    I’m just glad his polling place doesn’t use that turn-the-wheel-to-highlight-the-name machine that they have where I live. I don’t think he would ever have figured that out.

  34. Sherri said on November 8, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    Roger Angell, on his 19th presidential vote: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/my-vote

  35. Connie said on November 8, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    So who gets to push a button like Brian? Or fill, in bubbles like me? I miss the clunk of the handle that closed the curtain door to the voying booth.

    My brother posted a picture of his polling place. Above the door it says Bingham Schoolhouse est. 1877. That would be Bingham township, Leelanau county Michigan.

  36. Connie said on November 8, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    I actually carefully opened the already sealed envelope to my absentee ballot to double check. Then I took it to the township and double checked that a taped up envelope was ok. I am township management, and my boss is up for election. Which is weird.

  37. Sherri said on November 8, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    Optical scan bubbles here, though mail-in.

  38. Little Bird said on November 8, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    I voted on October 11th, first day of early voting. I was downright shaky as I filled in the bubbles. Tonight I’ll be having taco salad and then sitting outside by the chiminea with the guys from upstairs, ignoring all screens. I don’t think I could watch the news tonight.

  39. Julie Robinson said on November 8, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    No stickers at either my or my mother’s polling places, which both use the little machines where you push buttons. And fortunately, it was only a 10 minute wait for her; we were both worried about her having to stand too long. I’m thinking we’ll get her an absentee ballot for the next election.

    By the way, I think I’m entitled to a special adulting badge for driving her to the poll, where she voted against my candidates.

  40. brian stouder said on November 8, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    Julie – THAT is genuine love (and respect), indeed.

    Definitely earns the “Adult”-level badge, indeed!

  41. Deborah said on November 8, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    I know I said I wasn’t going to comment until Weds, but I’ve kind of calmed down a bit, not really sure why. When I voted early, a couple of weeks ago, it was on a touch screen machine that gave you plenty of opportunity to review and go back if you needed. Then when you were done a paper tape scrolled up that you could review again to make sure it registered everything accurately, the paper part was what would get ultimately counted. I was very confident that everything and everyone I voted for came out accurately My husband voted today at our regular place and he had a paper ballot that he had to draw lines to connect to the proper bubbles, at least I think that’s how it worked from his description to me. I tried to convince him to vote early but he likes the ritual of Election Day voting.

    Sherri, I’m so with you on your comment #29.

    Julie, you deserve a medal for driving your Mom to the poll.

    I will be glued to the TV tonight, wild horses couldn’t tear me away.

  42. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 8, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    People fuss and worry about the electronic machines, and yes, I did open my hatch and watch the “print” function as a double check (noticing that few others around me were doing so, just stabbing the “get it over with” button repeatedly. But I’m not too anxious about the technology. It’s pretty darn secure.

    I have that atavistic love of the old heavy black metal on casters hunks of voting machine with the curtains that swung as you threw the decisive red lever over . . . but why were we so certain those couldn’t have been “hacked”? Of course, back then hacking would be a guy with a screwdriver telling you “it’s like what I did with Lenny’s Cadillac on the odometer before he went to sell it” than it is today a Ukranian teenager on contract to Putin drinking red pop and typing on a laptop. But either way, the elections boards have to assume someone might try to rig or fix or tamper with the vote totals, and figure out how to ensure it can’t be done, or that they can prove it wasn’t. And they are pretty diligent about that task.

    My prayers for this election have more to do with two struggling levy campaigns than it does with any one candidate upstream, but I’m still thinking Hillary to 340 EV. I’ll pay up to my wife if it’s closer, but I’m not staying up past 12.

  43. David C. said on November 8, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    Anyone know a good source of election results for a cable cutter. I don’t mind one of the networks, but I would like to know who has the least annoying anchors.

  44. Sherri said on November 8, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    Those old machines could be hacked, Jeff(tmmo), but they were difficult if not impossible to hack without being detected, because they were mechanical. It’s possible to hack the electronic voting systems without detection. Georgia, for example, uses machines that run Windows 2000, which is no longer supported and no longer gets security updates, and they don’t keep a paper trail.

    Check out VerifiedVoting.org to learn more about the security of voting

  45. MarkH said on November 8, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    David C. — We do have cable, Knut our favorite TV need source these days is CBS, if you have local free station. high on content, short on overbearing personalities and theatrics. YVMV.

    I see no need for early or absentee voting. So waited until the polls had been open for an hour and a half this AM, went to my appointed place (our county weed and pest office; how appropriate), waited all of three minutes to get my ballot, gnashed my teeth over the choices, made them and moved on. Paper ballot with the bubbles, scanned into an off-line machine. Always been very reliable for Teton County. Maybe only three automatic recounts in my 35 years here.

  46. MarkH said on November 8, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    “…BUT our favorite TV NEWS source…”. Phone spell check, sheesh.

  47. Suzanne said on November 8, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    I’m getting really nervous here. Trump is winning bigly in Indiana (surprise) but I am suddenly very uneasy about the whole mess. Time to go home and drink, I think.

  48. FDChief said on November 8, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    Well…the envelope lying in the big metal box means I joined the, what, probably a barely 50% of my country in exercising the right earlier generations fought for?

    I don’t feel anything but a sort of exhausted unease. I hate what this election has – not “done”, for the sickness was always there – but exposed; what forty years of years of hateful lies and and divisive propaganda have sown.

    I wonder…was this what it felt like, voting in the election of 1860?

    I fear so.

  49. MarkH said on November 8, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    Further notes from Wyoming – I’ve dialed back my commenting here, staying out of the political scrum, but something has been conspicuous by its absence here: any discussion of the redemption and ascention of Liz Cheney to national office. She will be victorious tonight in claiming her old man’s former role as Wyoming’s lone congressperson. In the Aug. 16 primary, she easily kicked aside seven challengers thanks to an eventual $2 million war chest and a highly polished speaking style. Her dem opponent is from the oil patch and, like her, promises to restore the depleted energy component to the state’s economy (good luck with that). Why does this matter to nn,c? She will immediately get her PR machine in order establishing a firm national platform and we’ll be hearing from her, mostly on Fox News of course, good or bad. There may be lots to talk about.

  50. Dave said on November 8, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    Bitter Scribe, thank you for sharing that with us.

    Sitting here watching these results, I thought it surprising that Trump did well with college educated males in Florida, contrary to many other states.

    I hadn’t thought about Wyoming and had forgotten all about Liz Cheney running, I’ve a friend who lives in Greybull, Mark, who says he may be the only liberal there, and I’m sure she didn’t get his vote.

  51. Jolene said on November 8, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    MarkH, I couldn’t disagree more about the need early or by mail voting. Teton County is not much like where most Americans live. Check out the news. There are people waiting in line for hours in urban and suburban areas. What is the effect of that for people who are elderly, for people who can’t leave their jobs or families for hours? It’s ridiculous and should be changed.

  52. Jolene said on November 8, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    Here’s an article that argues in favor of voting by mail.

  53. Dave said on November 8, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    Now they’re saying that 91% of college educated women in Florida voted for Trump. There’s a figure I can’t grasp.

  54. Suzanne said on November 8, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    Dave, I can’t either. I can’t grasp that anyone voted for him

  55. Jolene said on November 8, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    I’ve been relying on the various prediction models that have called for a Clinton victory to keep terror at bay, but, right now, I have a terrible knot in my stomach. It’s astonishing to me that anyone could vote for Trump, but that any college-educated person could vote for him is truly beyond me.

    But are you sure you got that news re Florida right, Dave? I heard 91% of the Florida vote had been counted, but didn’t hear that figure re college-educated women.

  56. Suzanne said on November 8, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    Trump right now is ahead in Florida, Virginia, N Carolina. Sickening.

  57. Suzanne said on November 8, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    And Gregg lost for governor in Indiana…to a fat guy with virtually no political experience. If I didn’t have to work tomorrow, I would get drunk. Trump, I think, will win as well. I don’t think it’s rigged. I think people really are that stupid.

  58. Deborah said on November 8, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    It’s a lot tighter than I thought but I’m not ready to give up hope yet. It just makes me disappointed in my fellow Americans.

  59. Dorothy said on November 8, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    We are feeling a rising sense of anxiety at our house. Me especially because I was convinced she would be leading by a sizable margin by now. Stomach is doing an Olympic sized balance beam and pommel horse routine for the last hour.

  60. Suzanne said on November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    I’m ready to give up hope. Hope I am very wrong.

  61. Jolene said on November 8, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    MSNBC hasn’t called Michigan yet, but the Freep has projected that Clinton will carry it.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/08/michigan-election-results-presidential-voting-trump-clinton/93470116/?hootPostID=8a578b26cbb3af02b9748e1e50fe89ca

  62. Colleen said on November 8, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    I’m getting a little freaked out myself. My sister in San Francisco is beside herself, and I’m close behind. Are we that stupid? That hateful? I have a bad feeling.

  63. Dave said on November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    Yes, that’s what they said, they had it up on the screen with a graphic, I don’t think I misunderstood, shocking isn’t strong enough a word but it’s all I’ve got. I’ve been searching for it but I can’t find anything online.

  64. Andrea said on November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    I f*cking hate Gary Johnson right now.

  65. Minnie said on November 8, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    Virginia has come in for Clinton. Keep the faith.

  66. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 8, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    My county went 61% Trump, 33% Hillary. Wow. Parma aside, Ohio went Trumpwards in a big way. Looks like we might still be a bellwether, to our lasting sorrow.

  67. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 8, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    Andrea, don’t forget to hate Stein, too.

  68. Andrea said on November 8, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    Jeff, I do, the both of them. I am so heartsick and worried for my country, and afraid and ashamed of my fellow citizens, who are endorsing hate, racism, misogyny, homophobia, and a policy free and fact free candidate. It really makes me think differently about us as a nation, and about the suffering we are willing to inflict on other human beings.

  69. Sherri said on November 8, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    I’m sick.

  70. Diane said on November 8, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    Nancy, I really, really hope you are not buying us all a beer.

  71. Sue said on November 9, 2016 at 12:02 am

    So if Trump and all his Trumpites have been insisting that the election is rigged, and he wins, does he have to quit?
    And Wisconsin, a state where people would literally rather drink shit than vote for a Democrat, appears to be falling into line nicely.

  72. Andrea said on November 9, 2016 at 12:03 am

    The nuclear codes!!!!!

    Comey, and Johnson, and Stein have a lot to answer for, as do supposedly decent people who voted for Trump.

  73. Kirk said on November 9, 2016 at 12:06 am

    But Newark voted to eliminate penalties for possession of small amounts of reefer. Who knew?

  74. Sherri said on November 9, 2016 at 12:34 am

    Chief Justice John Roberts has a lot to answer for. As I’ve said before, Shelby County is a worse, more damaging decision than Citizens United.

  75. coozledad said on November 9, 2016 at 12:37 am

    I want to take this opportunity to thank the denizens of this site for never failing to suck the enemy’s crank. I have, and have always had, much more of a stake in this country than the rancid Ohionnaise that fringed this commentariat.

    I will have to burn my farm down and leave, now. It was a lot of work, but stupid people can’t be depended on to defend their own interests. You’re with the Russians now. Eat shit.

  76. alex said on November 9, 2016 at 12:53 am

    I’m packing my bags and going with you, Cooz.

  77. Crazycatlady said on November 9, 2016 at 1:54 am

    I no longer believe in the better angels of our nature. I have seen the worst of our nation tonight.

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