Later update today, folks — got an action-packed morning. In the meantime, a little video entertainment for the troops. Yeah, I think I’m going to see it:
UPDATE: Sorry guys. I don’t know how the closed-comments thing happened. Open now.
moe99 said on July 29, 2008 at 11:47 am
History will not be kind to W. And it’s here already!
whitebeard said on July 29, 2008 at 11:51 am
Do you remember the debate on what can be done in Photoshop to change photos and how far can you go. Well, the LA Times is going to see how far with its new Sunday magazine at http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=129945
The comment “”You cannot Photoshop or alter photography at all if it comes from a newsroom,” Ms. Anderson pointed out. LA will not be so constrained. “You know the magazine world,” she said,” should open up some interesting debates.
Let’s see. Yes. Can you subsitute a Pepsi can for that Coke can? Of course we can.
whitebeard said on July 29, 2008 at 11:59 am
W. is on my fall movie schedule for sure now; I was waiting for the other Stone to drop for a long time.
LAMary said on July 29, 2008 at 12:29 pm
The LA Times Magazine has been mashed up, tossed out, and redesigned too many times. Bring back Bob Sipchen and content beyond restaurant reviews and overpriced trendy crap.
beb said on July 29, 2008 at 12:38 pm
About two weeks back armed men broke into the Michigan Humane Society’s Detroit office during business hours. The armed men weren’t looking to rob anyone, they wanted all the shelter’s pitbulls. However since the shelter does not adopt out pitbulls where were none for them to take. Grand Theft — pitbulls….only in Detroit.
Sue said on July 29, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Just finished a “rise and fall” type biography on Karl Rove and I’m still feeling a bit queasy. Given that Karl’s political assassination methods date all the way back to his Texas days and from the start he didn’t have a problem taking out selected Republicans as well as Democrats and innocent bystanders, I can’t help but wonder why those who put him in power (not just W.) were willing to ever let him out of Texas. Wonder how Oliver Stone will handle Karl.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on July 29, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Karl will be played by Marlon Brando (ok, a digital replicant of Marlon Brando).
LAMary said on July 29, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I think Jack Nicholson would be a good Karl.
moe99 said on July 29, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Karl Rove is being played by Toby Jones, an actor I’ve admired for his work in The Painted Veil and Amazing Grace. I hope he can muster the nastiness and presence needed to portray Karl. He’s like a junior Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
coozledad said on July 29, 2008 at 2:06 pm
LA Mary: It looks like they got a ringer for Karl. Maybe he can act. As much as Rove’s on TV anybody ought to do a plausible job just by studying videotape.
I have to disagree with you about Jack, though. He can do the crazy, but in his good work, people can find a little of themselves in the madness. Karl ‘s evil is more a warm puddle of some non-Newtonian fluid most people would be inclined to step around if they encountered it on a sidewalk. I’m thinking more of a genetically modified amalgam of Paul Williams, Donald Pleasance and Andy Warhol, with a little touch of Heinrich Himmler.
Joe Kobiela said on July 29, 2008 at 2:31 pm
I won’t give Oliver Stone one cent of my money to see HIS take on Bush. But let me ask you one thing, If you took a hard partying Liberal, that screwed, drank, did drugs, and shirked his military duty and he became president, you all would think it was the greatest feel good story of the century. Oh wait, we already did that with Bubba Clinton.
Julie Robinson said on July 29, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Toby Jones played Truman Capote in Infamous and he can be all that C’dad says. The evil is underneath the pleasant manner and simpering voice. It’s impressive.
Jim in FL said on July 29, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Well, lets see…When Clinton was president:
1. We weren’t at war.
2. My 401k more than doubled in value.
3. The federal budget deficit was shrinking, soon to become surplus.
4. Gas prices averaged $1.58/gallon.
5. Terrorists blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City, killing hundreds, but the guilty were found and brought to justice.
Yeah…I felt pretty good.
nancy said on July 29, 2008 at 3:27 pm
You can hanging the screwing on Clinton. And sure, he gamed the system to avoid the draft (as did W). Drinking and drugging, don’t think so. (That’s part of what made the “didn’t inhale” claim so ludicrous.) Clinton was a poor boy, extraordinarily ambitious, who got where he was by working very very hard and being equally smart.
Dubya’s partisans will never understand the contempt he arouses in people who weren’t born on third base with a long lead toward home, the way he was — and still he managed to nearly piss it all away. If most of us stayed drunk until the age of 40, we’d be paying for it until our dying day. That’s why I’m intrigued by the idea of this movie. The “Wonderful World” theme shows maybe Stone brought a sense of humor to this project, something sorely missing from the rest of his work. Fingers crossed; thumbs still noncommittal.
Danny said on July 29, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Joe, I think a lot of folks here are going to come home with hickies and soggy underpants after seeing this movie. They’ll probably package the DVD release with that Reagan made-for-TV movie and An Inconvenient Truth. It’ll be like Lord of the Rings, except even more fictional.
LAMary said on July 29, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Speaking of soggy underpants, did you feel the earthquake Danny? It shook pretty good here. 5.8 is definitely noticeable.
Danny said on July 29, 2008 at 3:45 pm
No, but many of my coworkers felt it. I think I was walking at the time and that is why I didn’t notice it.
Sue said on July 29, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Gotta pop in here: I will not kill myself if John McCain is elected president. I keep in mind that his primary campaign last election was effectively torpedoed by vicious lies spread by members of his own party. Lies that involved his child. I’m not thrilled with him, but I’m not thrilled by politicians in general; they have to do distasteful things to get elected. But after the election, usually, they remember that they were elected to govern, not move the party agenda forward by any means necessary. I would very much like to look forward from here on in. Both McCain and Obama will probably make decent presidents. What has been going on the last several years disgusts me, and I cannot believe that we would put anyone in office who will not begin immediately to clean some things up. Danny, I am offended by your comment. I don’t need crap like that in a blog that’s known for respectful behavior. I think I’m outta here for awhile.
Dexter said on July 29, 2008 at 3:51 pm
I’ve seen all the big Stone films but this one arouses no curiosity.
I am so sick of this bastard at 1600 the last thing I want to do is go see a movie about him and his ascendancy , or legacy-grab, or whaddevah.
What I am most concerned with is the fact that as bad as this jerk fucked-up the country in his first term, he was elected to a second. That is a mystery no analysis ever satisfied.
How can anyone believe that if Bush was re-elected, McCain cannot be also? No matter how burned-out and confused McCain is, no matter how wrong he has been as a sychophant for the prez on Iraq, after all he is a Republican, and they got the current occupant of the White House re-elected after he had set the course for a drain of the economy for a war that even a top Repugg adviser two days ago called “fucking stupid.”
nancy said on July 29, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Oh, Sue. That’s why we love Danny. Please come back tomorrow.
Kirk said on July 29, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I enjoyed “Primary Colors,” and I’ll probably enjoy “W.”
del said on July 29, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Agree with Dexter. The deeper and more troubling question is how W. got re-elected. Forever changes the tenor of the debate over the merits of our “democracy.”
Sue, don’t let Danny get your goat. He rebuts with humor when the prosaic truth proves problematic. Give him points for creativity. Soggy underpants? Maybe Danny liked George Clooney’s portrayal as one of the Soggy Bottom Boys in O Brother, Where Art Thou?
Danny said on July 29, 2008 at 4:26 pm
del….you mispelled prozac.
Sue. Chill. Nevermind all that. This is why I am loved.
Catherine said on July 29, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Mary & Danny, I definitely felt the quake here in Pasadena. The curious thing I think y’all might find interesting: I didn’t turn on the TV (so-called) news to find out the magnitude, epicenter, damage, etc. I just went right to the USGS website, which was updated within 5 minutes. I don’t need video of grocers in their shops with push brooms and some broken jars. This might be one of the things killing the MSM — folks don’t need interpretation and talking heads when the facts are readily available.
del said on July 29, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Spelled prosaic right but messed up sycophant a few days ago. Is it misspell or mispell?
LAMary said on July 29, 2008 at 5:17 pm
We don’t have radio or TV here in my office and the phones, cell phones and internet didn’t work for what seemed a long time. It seemed long because my kids are home and I’m ten miles away. I didn’t know then where the epicenter was or how large the quake was. I confess I started crying when I was finally able to reach them and find out everything was ok.
Dexter said on July 29, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Del…caught that film late last week on cable. John Turturro as Pete was great. Almost as good as Roberto Benigni and Tom Waits and John Lurie were in “Down by Law” (1986) in the prison-escape-big-adventure genre.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on July 29, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I second Kirk’s comment, and [koff] i voted for W. the second time, eyes wide open. Could have voted otherwise, didn’t, ain’t losing sleep over it. But if the Stone movie is anywhere near as entertainingly interesting about the intersection of politics and people as “Primary Colors” was, i’ll go. Oliver did ok with “Platoon” but it was no “Deer Hunter” or “ApocNow,” and “JFK” was embarrassing on so many levels i skipped “Nixon” and then was startled by “WTC.” I love Ron Rosenbaum’s take on Oliver Stone (google the two names in quotes and check out the story, involving urinals and lots of yelling).
What i don’t get is that i went looking for “Wag the Dog” the other day, and can’t find it on DVD anywhere, and don’t want to plug in the cords for the VHS again.
If you really want a view on politics and people and procedure, get “The Milagro Beanfield War,” which is the world in picturesque miniature.
Catherine said on July 29, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Mary, yes. My kids were right here and that averted much trauma. Husband was out and the cellphones didn’t work — not so much fun, that. Glad everyone is OK at your end!
moe99 said on July 29, 2008 at 10:32 pm
We got Wag the Dog via Netflix. Just like Z. Easy to order, hard to sit through the latter.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on July 29, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Looking back over Presidential endgames —
Kennedy — well, yeah.
Johnson — rambling monologues in darkened Oval Office, rioters in the street.
Nixon — rambling monologues in darkened Oval Office, impeachment committee in the hall.
Ford — Poland is free? Inflation, swine flu, pratfalls; no scandals.
Carter — Bert Lance, malaise, recriminations, Kennedy ego.
Reagan — Iran-Contra, the birth of the departing staffer bio, Nancy with astrology charts in the East Wing.
Bush 41 — Checks watch, asks about check-out.
Clinton — Move on.
Bush 43 — Alberto.
Point being they just don’t go gentle into that good night. Ford managed to avoid exit scandals more than anyone on this list (JFK’s came long after, but will last in memory), but both parties have trouble making a clean exit from the stage.
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